So I hate to beat this drum again. But one thing I found very unsatisfying about this interview was Amanda Harrington's answers around measurement. I realize the name of the article or the interview is not "the Minneapolis program evaluation for violence interrupters". However, I thought her answers around measurement were necessary, but not sufficient. It seems no one can articulate how The city is actually going to measure the outcomes of these violence prevention or violence interruption programs. I find it maddening that our tax dollars are used without any actual plan for how to measure this. It seems like people want to fall back on the cure violence model, which at least they're using a model. But saying it worked well in this city or that City isn't really the way experiments or science work. It's ridiculous and frustrating and I realize I'm banging the same drum over and over and over again. I will give her credit, she mentioned that output is not the same thing as outcome. I'm guessing this is just never going to happen which is not really a reasonable way to use our tax dollars. As I've said before, I'm not necessarily against alternative things besides law enforcement. But enacting all these experiments without collecting data to determine if the experiments are successful? Ridiculous.
Crime, homelessness, drug use, gun violence, untreated health issues (incl. mental health) are endemic to the U.S. with its deeply flawed hyper individualistic economic system (in my opinion). Peruse any major city newspaper to see these same problems and depressing scenarios, country-wide.
As Terry indicates, we can't point fingers only at our public servants or only at residents, be they the problem residents or the housed, stable ones. We are in this collectively and it won't be solved by posting knee jerk, mean, blaming comments.
Terry, where were the social media posts at? The ones about to Star Tribune article. The reason I ask is if they were in the comment section on the Star Tribune they must have deactivated the comments because there isn't a comment section for that article anymore.
A good fact checking, and much appreciated, example of a comment on that ND post..
* key phrase, "an insult and slap in the face.."
Nancy Ford
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Ericsson
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Amy as we know, there is a community of folks that are service resistant. Anyone tht spends time at this intersection wil see familiar faces week after week, year after year. These folks are repeatedly offered services and they refuse them. One is cited in the article. Yet our councilperson says we don't provide enough services. Perspectives like this are an insult and slap in the face to the hard working social service providers that are on the street attending to these folks. And as long as we continue to misdiagnose this problem and continue to call it a housing problem, we won't be able to treat it effectively.
Thank you Terry. Out of sheer curiosity, I might check and see if the same thing happened on Facebook. Or Twitter for that matter. Anyway, I've listened to the interview. I'll have some more comments later. You had great 👍 questions !
So I hate to beat this drum again. But one thing I found very unsatisfying about this interview was Amanda Harrington's answers around measurement. I realize the name of the article or the interview is not "the Minneapolis program evaluation for violence interrupters". However, I thought her answers around measurement were necessary, but not sufficient. It seems no one can articulate how The city is actually going to measure the outcomes of these violence prevention or violence interruption programs. I find it maddening that our tax dollars are used without any actual plan for how to measure this. It seems like people want to fall back on the cure violence model, which at least they're using a model. But saying it worked well in this city or that City isn't really the way experiments or science work. It's ridiculous and frustrating and I realize I'm banging the same drum over and over and over again. I will give her credit, she mentioned that output is not the same thing as outcome. I'm guessing this is just never going to happen which is not really a reasonable way to use our tax dollars. As I've said before, I'm not necessarily against alternative things besides law enforcement. But enacting all these experiments without collecting data to determine if the experiments are successful? Ridiculous.
Crime, homelessness, drug use, gun violence, untreated health issues (incl. mental health) are endemic to the U.S. with its deeply flawed hyper individualistic economic system (in my opinion). Peruse any major city newspaper to see these same problems and depressing scenarios, country-wide.
As Terry indicates, we can't point fingers only at our public servants or only at residents, be they the problem residents or the housed, stable ones. We are in this collectively and it won't be solved by posting knee jerk, mean, blaming comments.
Terry, where were the social media posts at? The ones about to Star Tribune article. The reason I ask is if they were in the comment section on the Star Tribune they must have deactivated the comments because there isn't a comment section for that article anymore.
Bluesky & Reddit
The Strib put that piece on Next Door for a couple of days. It is still up for review but closed for discussion. It has 80 comments.
https://nextdoor.com/p/rhcyCrhtzB2n?utm_source=share&extras=NzY4MzMyNDM%3D&ne_link_preview_links=&utm_campaign
A good fact checking, and much appreciated, example of a comment on that ND post..
* key phrase, "an insult and slap in the face.."
Nancy Ford
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Ericsson
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Amy as we know, there is a community of folks that are service resistant. Anyone tht spends time at this intersection wil see familiar faces week after week, year after year. These folks are repeatedly offered services and they refuse them. One is cited in the article. Yet our councilperson says we don't provide enough services. Perspectives like this are an insult and slap in the face to the hard working social service providers that are on the street attending to these folks. And as long as we continue to misdiagnose this problem and continue to call it a housing problem, we won't be able to treat it effectively.
Thank you Terry. Out of sheer curiosity, I might check and see if the same thing happened on Facebook. Or Twitter for that matter. Anyway, I've listened to the interview. I'll have some more comments later. You had great 👍 questions !